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CITY OF CORCORAN
CITY COUNCIL MEETING
May 24, 2007
CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL
Call to Order
The Corcoran City Council met on May 24, 2007, at city hall in Corcoran,
Minnesota. Present were Mayor Guenthner, Councilor Grabowski, Councilor
Jacobs, and Councilor Hudok. Councilor Thomas was excused absent. Also
Roll Call
present were Chief Gormley, Administrator Vergin, and City Clerk Larson. Mayor
Guenthner called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. followed by the Pledge of
Allegiance.
AGENDA APPROVAL
MOTION
by Grabowski, seconded by Hudok, to approve the agenda, adding 7.c
Agenda Approval
Medina Electric Update and 7.d Schendel Farms. Voting Aye: Guenthner,
Grabowski, Jacobs, and Hudok. (Motion carried 4:0)
Open Forum &
OPEN FORUM & ANNOUNCEMENTS
Announcements:
None.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
Corcoran Country Daze
Corcoran Country Daze
Administrator Vergin had provided a report to the Council regarding the request by
the Corcoran Jaycees for financial support by the City for the Country Daze event.
The Jaycees are requesting $1,000 for fire works and $1,500 for police protection.
Administrator Vergin explained in her report that based on the information
received that donations for fire works should be discouraged.
Councilor Grabowski stated he spoke with Westside Tire, they indicated that they
would provide funding for the fire works. Grabowski also stated he would support
providing free police protection.
Councilor Hudok stated he would be willing to volunteer himself to provide police
services. This would need to be worked out between his department (current
employer) and the City’s department.
Mayor Guenthner stated he supports the police department services and
commended Grabowski for making contact with Westside.
Police Chief Gormley added that the Police Department overtime budget for 2007
is half-gone so need to be cautious of that. Would suggest perhaps it be added in
2008 as a budget item.
Mayor Guenthner requested Administrator Vergin to provide information to the
council on where the funding could come from.
Councilor Grabowski suggested that perhaps there be a donation jar at the event to
recoup some of those costs.
Highway 55 Mapping
Highway 55 Mapping
Mayor Guenthner gave a brief overview on the Highway 55 mapping. He stated
there is no material or significant impacts to the City of Corcoran. Keeping the
alignment south of 55 in the Medina area is consistent with the city’s request. A
few access cut-offs were identified but the map only expresses a concept, and not
for formal action. He recommends it be reviewed again at the June 14 meeting for
comments, if any.
Flett Property – 9220
Flett Property – 9220 County Road 19
County Road 19
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Mr. Flett had contacted the City to see if they would be interested in acquiring his
property that has been limited due to the expansion and reconstruction of County
Road 19. Mayor Guenthner stated that the City does not have the framework put
together yet and that it is too premature for the City to consider acquisition. It does
have some logic with the potential park site located in Burschville.
It was the consensus of the Council that Administrator Vergin communicate with
Mr. Flett that the city understands his challenges and is willing to work with him
in the event that variances would be necessary to do improvements to the site. But
unfortunately at this time the acquisition of the property by the City is premature.
Long Term Public Works Facility
Long Term Public Works
Facility
Mayor Guenthner asked what our next steps are and that the group now needs
direction if Council feels so inclined to continue. Maybe conduct an open house
for feedback and community input, if the answer is yes, then do a feasibility study
for proceeding.
Councilor Grabowski questioned the amount of land that was needed and stated
that we do own land south of City Hall and City could possibly sketch a plan to
present to the public.
Councilor Jacobs questioned how this would fit into the comprehensive plan with
an industrial use next to residential use. He suggested that the planning issues
should go to Planning Commission to look at it and to work with other property
owners around the area.
Mayor Guenthner added that it would be difficult to have an open house without
something tangible for public to react to and also added that Councilor Jacobs
comments were well taken. He recommended that the next step would be to
schedule a presentation at a Planning Commission meeting to leverage value of the
parcel or reconfigure the parcel to maximize value.
Medina Electric (Backage Road)
Medina Electric
Administrator Vergin stated that Medina Electric did not accept the City’s offer
with regards to the easements for the extension of the backage road; therefore the
road will be cul-de-saced. Attorney Langel will be consulted to see if any other
formal action is required of the City at this time.
Schendel Farms
Schendel Farms
Councilor Jacobs passed around a letter that he had received from Planner Gartner
prepared by City Engineer Vander Top. Jacobs stated that he didn’t recall the City
Engineer being directed to do any additional work on Schendel Farms.
Mayor Guenthner suggested that Engineer Vander Top explain the status at the
next meeting and also ask Chuck Alcon to attend.
Councilor Grabowoski questioned how this was paid for. Administrator Vergin
replied escrow. He also asked Vergin if the money was returned yet and
Administrator Vergin stated that the City would need to make sure all expenses
have cleared through the 500 fund before any monies are released.
Councilor Hudok questioned who was making this request, it looks like the City
not the developer, and why wasn’t the planner involved instead of the City
Engineer.
Councilor Grabowski stated he wants a report from Vander Top at the next
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meeting.
Planning Consultant Interviews Planning Consultant
Interviews
It was noted that Sanders Wacker Bergly Inc. had a conflict with the interview
scheduled for June 14. The Council agreed to delay their interview to June 28 at
7:15.
Gartner Engineering
Gartner Engineering
At 7:30 p.m. the interview of Norm Gartner, with Gartner Engineering was held.
He is currently the city’s interim planner. Questions were asked by all Council
members and Mayor Guenthner.
Grabowski requested a synopsis of how he would handle requests from developers
versus residents, how he views his role as he represents the City, and his role in
educating and guiding the Planning Commission.
Gartner replied that developers and residents are required to follow the same
regulations. The City sets the tone and the Planner guides them through the
process. As for educating that will come up in the Comp Plan process. Gartner
added that he could bring his infrastructure experience to the City.
Councilor Jacobs questioned his single fee schedule; asked him to provide an
indication of the typical applicants he has dealt with; and if he retained the job how
would he would remove the complexity from the City’s ordinances.
Gartner stated that he cannot justify charging different rates, keep rates consistent,
but indicated that he would be willing to negotiate on specific projects. There are
only two projects which he would classify as professional developers, Meadow
View Estates and Schendel Farms, the others have been local property owners. As
to the ordinances he finds it hard to find anything, so uses word search. He
questioned why there is a concept plan required for an OSP plat, but not for the
others. State law does not require them.
Jacobs noted that Planner Gartner has been doing both the Parks & Trails
Commission and the Planning Commission.
Gartner stated that there is some duplication, can write reports for both groups.
Councilor Hudok stated that in the past there has been concerns with the lack of
assistance from the planning department, what is his approach; questioned when
revisions are necessary is it more like a guide or is it law.
Gartner stated that he explains to the applicant exactly what they need to provide
and if the applicant understands what they need then it makes his job easier. Make
sure that the applicant is knowledgeable in what is required. Would like to simplify
process to get to the same end result. Referencing the Schendel project he would
have sent that to the Council first for consideration due to the CIP, transportation,
and density concerns.
Hudok questioned the processing of applications.
Gartner stated that he had met with Administrator Vergin regarding process,
applications will be submitted to the city, date stamped and receipted then directed
to him for review to determine if it is complete. Notices are then sent to the
applicant and to others as needed.
Mayor Guenthner asked if Gartner had read the City’s Comp Plan and if it is a
valid statement of the City; is it the role of the planner to advocate for one plan
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versus another.
Gartner replied that he has not read all of it. That the density proposed in the
Schendel project was in conflict with the Comp Plan. The Planner is the advocate
for the city at all times.
Guenthner, if the city attempts to help an applicant and gives bad information is the
City responsible for that. Does the City have the responsibility, the legal
responsibility, to interpret the ordinances for the developer or the applicant?
Gartner replied affirmatively that it is the City’s responsibility. .
Guenthner questioned planning credentials, stating that there are degrees offered
for planning and that the more qualified would have credentials, are there other
cities that use planners that are not accredited.
Gartner stated that there is no State requirement that a planner have credentials. He
added that he has 26 years of development experience. He is aware of a planner
that was hired in Plymouth that does not have planning credentials, as well as the
City of Rogers.
Guenthner questioned if Mr. Gartner has ever started a Comp Plan process, or been
a primary facilitator of the process.
Gartner responded that he had not.
Guenthner stated that Mr. Gartner’s fees appear higher then any of the others, is
that due to engineering background and what support staff do you have. Would you
be willing to meet fees offered by others?
Gartner stated that it is based on his experience, and that his wife helps him out,
there is no other support staff. The city should consider his office location, as no
other firms are as close.
Guenthner raised questions relative to the billing statement that the city had
received for the period of January through April. Questioned why the city had not
received a bill earlier, if he could provide daily logs, and raised issues as to some
of the items included in the invoice, including meals, mileage, telephone calls, and
time to download packets.
Gartner responded that he had updated his software program which caused the
delay in the billing. That the meals should not have been included, that was an
error with the software. His computer is very slow, so downloading packets does
take considerable time, is now picking up hard copies of the material at city hall.
As for telephone calls, the council is the boss and feels that there is a need for
communication with council members.
Guenthner questioned why a letter prepared by Engineer Vander Top, copied to
Planner Gartner was forwarded to Councilor Jacobs, why not the entire council.
Councilor Grabowski stated that the Council should be addressing the applicant’s
ability, not issues relating to billing, those should be addressed at a separate time.
Mayor Guenthner responded that he felt the questions addressed the
trustworthiness of the applicant.
Guenthner then questioned if Gartner has read the City’s ordinances and if they are
consistent with the City’s Comp Plan.
Gartner responded that he had not read the ordinances, only those that he has
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needed to, feels that they are deficient and confusing, but did state that they are
consistent with the Comp Plan.
Guenthner questioned reporting style and the difference in what had been identified
in the RFP versus the letter prepared for the Council regarding the Schendel
application. The Planning Commission had recommended that the City pursue an
AUAR after Gartner presented the application with the report prepared by Planner
Lindahl, but when presented to the Council it was presented with a memo where
Gartner described it as premature.
Gartner stated that he should have stopped the application, that it should have come
to the City Council first.
Guenthner noted that Mr. Gartner has described himself as a developer, does he
feel that is a conflict of interest.
Gartner responded that he is not doing business with anyone in the City, only the
City Council; therefore it is not a conflict of interest.
Councilor Grabowski stated that the interview is not a trial.
Guenthner questioned why Gartner, as a licensed engineer is seeking a planning
position with the City.
Gartner responded that he had been approached by Councilors Jacobs and
Grabowski to do the planning for the City.
Councilor Jacobs stated that he disagrees with Mr. Gartner’s rate being the highest,
and that it is appropriate for consultants to be contacted by individual council
members.
Community Growth
Institute
Community Growth Institute
At 8:30 p.m. Community Growth Institute representatives Timothy Schmidt and
Lisabeth Barajas were interviewed. They gave a brief overview of their company
and the services they provide. They provide services with out prejudice, are
respectful of public opinions. Comp Plans are the will of the community. Their role
is to advise the City Council to make the best decisions for the community. They
provide a website specific to the City. They have been a team of planners since
2000 serving the Brainerd lakes area, Alexandria area, Duluth area, and outer
metro area. Ms. Barajas would be the primary contact for Corcoran. They provide
a flat rate fee of $900 per month (10 hours), with an initial $500 fee for set up. If
the City exceeds the 10 hrs/ flat rate, then additional time is billed out at an hourly
rate. Questions were presented to them by City Council members and Mayor
Guenthner.
Grabowski questioned their approach to developers versus residents of the city, and
how detailed their billing statements are.
Ms. Barajas responded that they must treat all applicants the same, here are the
rules, the deadlines, and the requirements. Mr. Schmidt responded to the billing
question stated that it is very specific and that they can itemize by subcategories.
Grabowski asked if they would be available to meet with applicants, and if they
charge travel time for those meetings.
Schmidt stated that they want to be flexible, that a block of time can be dedicated
to meet on site at the City, which can be more productive. Mileage is reimbursed
at 44.5 cents per mile.
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Grabowski asked in planning what is the ratio of residents to larger developers.
Both responded that it varies from city to city, and that the average applicant has a
learning gap, which may increase costs that would be incurred, which they do
understand.
Councilor Hudok asked them to describe their planning background, resources that
they can bring, and what their approach is to dealing with different applicants.
Schmidt responded that they are planners, with one engineer. They have done
small to large comp plans. There is a wide variety of applicants, therefore need to
know what questions to ask. They maintain a phone log of all information that is
provided to residents and to applicants. They provide samples and standards
through either telephone or written correspondence. If there are going to be
obstacles they identify those to the applicant upfront. They work with the City staff
as a team.
Hudok asked if they had reviewed the City’s Comp Plan or the ordinances, and
what the hourly rate is if exceed the 10 hours a month.
They responded that they had not yet reviewed those at this time. The hourly rate
would be $75.00.
Guenthner asked if their record keeping would be project based, as the City needs
to have that breakdown.
Ms. Barajas replied they would identify where every dollar is applied.
Guenthner asked them to describe the work that they have done for the City of
Hanover, and what is the distinction between a small town and an urban town.
They indicated that they had helped Hanover on some Comp Plan amendments due
to an annexation with an adjoining township. They have the educational resources
and assembled database that will provide services to either.
Jacobs noted that they have referenced cities smaller then 6,000 in population.
Schmidt responded that they have worked with small cities, worked for Baxter that
is more suburban in nature, communities that are tripling in growth, and have
experience with county planning.
Jacobs asked if they work with developers and questioned if more of there is work
is done digitally then in person.
They responded that they do not work for developers only cities. That they do visit
the site of a project at least once, but do utilize aerials.
At the conclusion of the interview Mayor Guenthner announced that the council
would make its final decision on Planner at the June 28, 2007 council meeting.
NEW BUSINESS
2008 Assessing Contract
2008 Assessing Contract
Councilor Grabowski stated he would like to see information or actual
documentation from County and or other proposals.
Council Jacobs asked if we had document from the County and Administrator
Vergin replied no. He also stated he’s heard complaints from various citizens
trying to call the City Assessor regarding their taxes and all they get is voicemail
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so hence the citizens don’t get the data they need timely.
Administrator Vergin will follow up with the County on this matter. Building Inspection
Services RFP’s
Building Inspection Services RFP’s
Mayor Guenthner requested that the Council members review the building
inspection proposals and come prepared at the next meeting to identify 3-4 for Consent Agenda Items
interviewing and set schedule for interviews. Approved:
CONSENT AGENDA
5/10/07 Council
Minutes Approved
MOTION
by Grabowski, seconded by Hudok, to approve the following consent
agenda items:
Liquor/Tobacco
Licenses
9.a.
May 10, 2007 Regular Council Minutes
Henn. Co Fair
9.b.
Liquor and Tobacco Licenses, Resolution No. 2007-36
Fireworks June 16
9.c.
Hennepin County Fair – Fireworks Display on June 16, 2007
Reserve Command
9.d.
Reserve Command Post Purchase
Post Purchase
9.e.
Donations to Police Department, Resolution 2007-37
Donations to Police
Dept
9.f.
Topography Exemption – Velch, Resolution No. 2007-38.
Topography
Voting Aye: Grabowski, Guenthner, Hudok, and Jacobs. (Motion Carried 4:0)
Exemption – Velch
CLAIMS
Approval of Claims
a. Escrow Claims (Fund #500) $19,892.89
b. Building Inspection Claims $446.30
c. All Other Claims $176,176.87
MOTION
by Grabowski, seconded by Hudok, to approve all other claims as
Council & Staff Reports
presented, totaling $196,516.06. Voting Aye: Guenthner, Grabowski, Jacobs, and
Hudok. (Motion carried 4:0)
COUNCIL AND STAFF REPORTS:
Woodland Ordinance
Meeting June 28
Set Woodland Ordinance Meeting Date – June 28, at 7:00 pm
Councilor Hudok stated this should be put into City Newsletter and Administrator
Vergin stated it would.
City Newsletter Deadline
City Newsletter Deadline – May 30
Administrator Vergin added she needs all other topics by this date.
Media Corcoran Utility
Agreement Update
Update on Medina Corcoran Utility Agreement
Administrator Vergin stated Medina Corcoran Utility Agreement is moving ahead,
but slowly. Expressed concern that Medina wants to treat Corcoran as a developer.
City’s Website
City’s Website
Administrator Vergin stated that the City continually has website issues. The City
cannot currently download agendas onto the website. Looking into other solutions,
such as the website service that is available through the League of Minnesota
Cities.
Mayor Guenthner requested that Administrator Vergin provide the council with
pros and cons on other solutions.
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Councilor Hudok mentioned possibly putting something in the city newsletter to
get a citizen to donate time to help work with the City website.
Mayor Guenthner suggested the City get feedback on what the residents want via
email and/or the city’s website.
Councilor Grabowski stated he would welcome resident’s ideas.
Councilor Jacobs asked if this was a software issue and Administrator Vergin
stated yes on both ends. He also asked if we had old software we could use and
Administrator Vergin stated no.
Mayor Guenthner recommended drafting some sort of solicitation to residents to be
placed in the newsletter.
Letter from student
Letter from Student
Mayor Guenthner stated he received a letter May 16 from a local student on the
upcoming smoking ban. He will add that to the next agenda for student
recognition.
ADJOURNMENT
Adjournment
MOTION
by Grabowski, seconded by Hudok to adjourn, 9:40 p.m. Voting Aye:
Guenthner, Grabowski, Jacobs, and Hudok. (Motion carried 4:0)
______________________________
Barb Larson, City Clerk
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